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Post by telexion on Jan 22, 2009 20:45:03 GMT -5
this is probably a dumb question but are latex weapons allowed and are tonfas ok the list was un-executive
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Post by Baethor on Jan 22, 2009 21:49:09 GMT -5
Latex weapons are not built to dagorhir minimum specs for blades, and they usually hit to hard, or break to easy.
Tonfas are not allowed
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Post by wolfblade on Jan 22, 2009 23:12:54 GMT -5
boulders?(big flippin rocks that are blue) Shurikins? rock sling? javalin with a blue attached? kali sticks? ring blades? blade gauntlet? throwing axe? a mace with greens at each quarter around the mittle of the head(spiked mace)?
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Post by Kotaro on Jan 23, 2009 0:00:01 GMT -5
Has to be white damage Possibly (likely not) Possibly (likely not) No Too narrow, else they'd be speed bats. Chakram? Claws? Depends on rules What's the point?
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Post by ziglerrobertson on Jan 23, 2009 0:24:25 GMT -5
Broken glass bottle (green) XXX Jug (as a yellow/green)
hehehehehehe
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Post by Kotaro on Jan 23, 2009 0:29:00 GMT -5
That was made of pure win.
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Post by Baethor on Jan 23, 2009 9:25:10 GMT -5
boulders?(big flippin rocks that are blue) Shurikins? rock sling? javalin with a blue attached? kali sticks? ring blades? blade gauntlet? throwing axe? a mace with greens at each quarter around the mittle of the head(spiked mace)? *sigh* So your that guy that i have to explain this to this year. You can make a rock as big as you want, but its still only going to be a rock, like kotaro said. Shurikens can be made as long as any tips are larger then 2 inches, and they still only count as rocks, white damage to the head. If you make rocks that are dagorhir spec, and can make a sling for them, go ahead, as far as i know there is no rule against it. Its just Awkward and unreliable. ...Do i really have to explain this one? Common sense dude, are you going to be winging a blue through the air at people legally? No. I've actually seen something similar made before, it was essentially a double bladed sword, it has to follow the double weapon/quarterstaff rules. both sides have to have the same amount of striking surface, both sides have to be either stabby or non stabby, etc etc. Its a lot of rules for a weapon that is completely innefective.. What kind of ring blade do you mean...A blade that is a ring you wear on your finger would be illegal, a ring blade blue would also be illegal, a chakram is legal, but again it has to meet the specs of a rock, and would only count to the head. Ok, i'm going to explain this rule so i get no more of these types of weapons. Any weapon that has to strike with a punching motion (I.E. tonfas, ring blades, gauntlets) Are ILLEGAL. throwing axes are fine, but they have to be made with no core, all foam. Anywhere else in dag they count as a rock, lucky for you in MM we have house rules for them. ....Why wouldnt you just make a flanged mace...
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Post by Tachibana Sanjuro on Jan 23, 2009 16:04:41 GMT -5
Broken glass bottle (green) XXX Jug (as a yellow/green) Wait till they get a load of me.... Sake Gourd to the head, the Orn Gawaith Chapter and Kotaro know what I mean.
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Post by ziglerrobertson on Jan 23, 2009 18:16:58 GMT -5
I actually have a valid question (for once) despite the trouble of bending the core at a sever angle, would tigerclaws be a viable Dag weapon?
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Post by Baethor on Jan 23, 2009 22:40:42 GMT -5
no, again because of how they must be swung is meant to be a punching motion, and a slashing motion would probably cause injury to yourself.
Delmonte tried fighting for them when he joined and they just cant be made legal
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Post by Kotaro on Jan 23, 2009 23:04:56 GMT -5
What Baethor said. It's a cool idea, but a solid blow to the blades would snap your wrist like a twig.
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Post by wolfblade on Jan 23, 2009 23:08:19 GMT -5
i already figured this but wanted confirmation. that and to be completely absurde. now sanji the orn gwaith want to get in tuch with you for buisness. now does anyone know about pallistid wall by the way they are attached to the arm not wrist like a shield arm with a sword
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Post by ziglerrobertson on Jan 23, 2009 23:16:54 GMT -5
thanks guys!
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Post by oof on Jan 26, 2009 0:05:43 GMT -5
a quick follow up to the original question posed on this thread, latex is, in fact, a viable building tool for weapons and if you can make them from latex to dagorhir specifications then they are perfectly exceptable, but as baethor has already stated most of them that you can buy are not made to dag specs. Goblin has a sword that is partly made from latex and it works really well
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Post by Baethor on Jan 26, 2009 0:09:26 GMT -5
the only part of that sword that is latex is the crossgaurd that was molded around the sword...
@ wolfblade any weapon that requires a punching motion. guess what motion your making with a weapon you strike with from your wrist.
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Post by oof on Jan 26, 2009 0:11:09 GMT -5
thought there was a layer of latex under the foam blade too? oh well
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Post by Haldour on Jan 26, 2009 7:45:29 GMT -5
As stated, latex doesn't necessarily fail. However, I've yet to see a weapon with a latex blade be viable. I hear, however, that latex technology is getting close. One of the guys in Narnia works in the stuff and I have heard that he thinks they'll have a good enough latex in the near future.
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Post by Haldour on Jan 26, 2009 7:47:56 GMT -5
PS As Z just reminded me, slings are a no go. Too much danger of entangling or choking. Far too dangerous for our purposes.
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Post by Baethor on Jan 26, 2009 9:18:37 GMT -5
Actually there is nothing in the dagorhir MOA about slings. with a properly made sling, there should be just as much risk of choking or entagling as with a bow. They give rocks a longer range, and there is nothing illegal about them. Unless the player is actively running up to a person to use the thing as garrot wire, i cant honestly see a sling being a real hazard on a battlefield.
But while they are not illegal, it is a heralds decision overall.
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Post by wolfblade on Jan 26, 2009 9:29:56 GMT -5
its not a punching weapon it is strictly a swinging weapon . punching with a bladed gauntlet is in effective its meant to be a block and sweep weapon with your main blade coming in behind. imagine a foam finger thing that has a middle finger. now extend the bottom to the elbow and have arm straps for the forearm (not the wrist) now the blade runs mid for arm to 3 ft past the fist. now this is meant to be a blue not a green besides to use it for punching will be defeating its purpose to be an active shield.
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Post by Kotaro on Jan 26, 2009 10:15:51 GMT -5
Has anyone seen a rock with a strip of fabric attached to it used to swing it around? Kind of a hillbilly sling?
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Post by Baethor on Jan 26, 2009 12:24:54 GMT -5
You misunderstand wolf. The motion require to swing that (or sweep it as you say) Would still be considered a punching motion. if you want to have a shield that is that small that buckles to your arm, they call that a buckler.
@ kotaro: That actually would fall under the dog ear rule and would be illegal.
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Post by Baethor on Jan 26, 2009 12:25:50 GMT -5
I like this actually, sharpening up my weapons checking knowledge before the O's.
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Post by Kotaro on Jan 26, 2009 13:18:52 GMT -5
Dang, he figured out our motives. Nuts.
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Post by Haldour on Jan 26, 2009 15:57:49 GMT -5
Baethor: It is true it is not in the MoA. However, the general consensus is that they should not be permitted as per a discussion on the National boards about 1 1/2 years ago. Unfortunately, with as long as it takes for them to update the thing, the MoA isn't 100% accurate. In essence, it is generally considered unacceptable, but is not officially forbidden. Yet.
Also, I have seen the "tails" on rocks fail, and I have seen them pass. Some classify that as a "dog ear", but I really disagree with this as a "dog ear" is really only a safety issue if the weapon is being swung at an opponent. Once the rock is thrown, I fail to see how a "tail" would at all add to the danger of it, since it cannot whip the opponent in the eye or face, the main safety concern of the 'dog ear". However, that is another issue that is left up to the weapon checker.
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