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Mar 9, 2010 19:50:30 GMT -5
Post by Nichos Morak on Mar 9, 2010 19:50:30 GMT -5
legal or illegal, and why?
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Mar 9, 2010 20:54:21 GMT -5
Post by kailec on Mar 9, 2010 20:54:21 GMT -5
The idea for a scythe has been brought to attention many times. Well I do not believe it is legal, and if it is that tip better have some damn good stabbie. But I beleive I read somewhere that the blade can't "catch or grab" onto others.
Now as forlooks and functionabitlity, Scythe always does look very neat and very cool BUT imagine fighting on the field with it effectively, and like being able to weild a two handed sword you are expected to be able to use it effectivly. And to be honest I would applaud and bow to someone who would be able to do so, Video games and movies just make a Scythe seem like such a bad ass weapon but in reality its a farming tool :-P
All in all I am going to go out on a limb and say it's not dag Legal
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scythe
Mar 9, 2010 21:18:08 GMT -5
Post by MacDimm on Mar 9, 2010 21:18:08 GMT -5
Ahhhhhhhhhhhhh, not the scythe discussion again!
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scythe
Mar 9, 2010 21:43:17 GMT -5
Post by Nichos Morak on Mar 9, 2010 21:43:17 GMT -5
what if i told you i've seen one in use. it wasn't dag legal but it was before i fought dag. it held for over a year, and last i check it is still in one piece. i also had a friend who wielded it with great ease.
it funny cause we also had a Soul Edge (nightmare's sword from soul caliber) and a orcish double sided axe.
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scythe
Mar 9, 2010 22:02:32 GMT -5
Post by Stubbie on Mar 9, 2010 22:02:32 GMT -5
General consensus I've found from trolling the national boards: not expressly illegal but has yet to be done to Dagorhir specifications.
Conjecture abound about why it will never be able to be made or if it is why it will never last. Lots have tried, none have had wide success.
Mostly it comes from Dagorhir having 2 attack types: smashing and poking. No cutting action, which eliminates or limits a lot of the bladed war implements.
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scythe
Mar 9, 2010 23:24:53 GMT -5
Post by oof on Mar 9, 2010 23:24:53 GMT -5
as Stubbie said scythes have been tried before and are VERY hard to make passing, they are not illegal but in general will not pass
just a note on non standard weapons, a lot of times weapons checkers while not more stringent on weapons perse, will not be sure about something they normally take for granted on a sword or club and check it more thouroughly. As such be aware that your non standard weapon will most likely fail more often than pass if it is even remotely questionable
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scythe
Mar 10, 2010 10:09:07 GMT -5
Post by Baethor on Mar 10, 2010 10:09:07 GMT -5
the problem is in the design, its meant for wood and steel not foam and fiberglass. the long stabbing tip (because there is honestly no way to swing it that i would ever concider a strike) presents a problem because if the core is to long, it will it way to hard, if the core through the blade is to short though, it will break through the foam. I have seen probably 3 sythes in dag, one of them passed weapons check, then promptly broke 15 minutes into fighting.
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scythe
Mar 10, 2010 16:47:34 GMT -5
Post by kailec on Mar 10, 2010 16:47:34 GMT -5
Yeah to actually swing it and it count as a hit is kinda sketchy to me, but maybe a nice poke :-P
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Jun 21, 2010 0:24:26 GMT -5
Post by Balfur Ignis on Jun 21, 2010 0:24:26 GMT -5
It has been accomplished. Not a full blown scythe but i made two kama. I can try and get some pictures. It is overly padded at the tip and so far has not won a single fight by my hand.
Sorry i had no intention of reviving this thread just thought i should state my results sense i am the one who had Nichos ask.
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Jun 21, 2010 8:21:09 GMT -5
Post by Kotaro on Jun 21, 2010 8:21:09 GMT -5
Have they passed check at an event?
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Jun 21, 2010 10:27:12 GMT -5
Post by Balfur Ignis on Jun 21, 2010 10:27:12 GMT -5
No our group is too far away from events and since i am the only means of transportation i cannot drive those distances. So they have not officially "passed"
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scythe
Jun 21, 2010 14:12:48 GMT -5
Post by Liam on Jun 21, 2010 14:12:48 GMT -5
I would say I'm Legal.
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Jun 21, 2010 21:14:04 GMT -5
Post by Firoth on Jun 21, 2010 21:14:04 GMT -5
I'll just say this:
+1 on not even attempting it. It's a waste of materials.
It's hard enough to get a large bit axe to hit without turning, I couldn't imagine an even wider weapon out from the core.
Just don't waste the resources. :/ Make a flail instead.
~Frothy
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Jun 22, 2010 9:22:13 GMT -5
Post by Baethor on Jun 22, 2010 9:22:13 GMT -5
flails are for douches. You want a wrapping weapon make an axe.
Also, scythe you failed on account of badassery.
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Jun 22, 2010 15:19:39 GMT -5
Post by Balfur Ignis on Jun 22, 2010 15:19:39 GMT -5
Im tired of the same stuff. If you dont try it you will never know. Some in my statement i will do as i please. If doesnt pass then i will try again.
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scythe
Jun 22, 2010 15:20:08 GMT -5
Post by Liam on Jun 22, 2010 15:20:08 GMT -5
Funny thing is, even with the name Scythe, i never have or would want to use one for foam fighting...
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Jun 24, 2010 8:32:19 GMT -5
Post by Baethor on Jun 24, 2010 8:32:19 GMT -5
well i wish you luck balfur, if your intent to spend the money and time working out the kinks then good on ya, its always good experience to experiment.
As advice, take into account length of the core and core materials, dont use PVC if you can help it, and if you have to use pvc to get the scythe's blade, make sure you use dowels to reinforce the PVC, that will help maintain structural integrity.
Also be careful in the construction of the blade, as i said before, if theres not enough padding it'll hit to hard to pass, if theres to much it'll probably break off. Good luck!
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Jun 24, 2010 14:31:14 GMT -5
Post by Balfur Ignis on Jun 24, 2010 14:31:14 GMT -5
I thank you for your luck. My experiment with the hand scythes have given me some good information. The hand scythes have not pvc core except for the handle. Im going to see how long they hold before breaking off cause to me that seems inevitable. But it will help with later experiments
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Jun 25, 2010 13:07:39 GMT -5
Post by Baethor on Jun 25, 2010 13:07:39 GMT -5
How do your kamas strike? Because technically the way a sickle shaped blade works is considered buttering in dag, its made to slice across and through. The only way i've seen usable sycthes are ones with only stabbing tips and people intend to use them as wrapping spears basically. But with kama i can see a problem because if they are stabbing they can't go through armor like the scythe typically can.
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Jun 25, 2010 15:38:02 GMT -5
Post by Balfur Ignis on Jun 25, 2010 15:38:02 GMT -5
They are reinforced for blue but the only way to pull that off is an awkward downward motion. So they are just used as green. Thats the only workable way for me to use them.
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scythe
Jun 26, 2010 9:58:19 GMT -5
Post by Firoth on Jun 26, 2010 9:58:19 GMT -5
If the weapon is swung, its blue/red. Period. Just because its pointy doesn't mean its a green. Green is only a thrusting weapon. ~Frothy
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Jun 26, 2010 15:56:30 GMT -5
Post by Balfur Ignis on Jun 26, 2010 15:56:30 GMT -5
It has a stabby tip that it what i meant. It is a blue thats what i built it for
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Jun 27, 2010 0:28:25 GMT -5
Post by Kotaro on Jun 27, 2010 0:28:25 GMT -5
I'm confused. You know what would help? Pictures.
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Jun 27, 2010 8:33:55 GMT -5
Post by oof on Jun 27, 2010 8:33:55 GMT -5
it's a pointy curved sword blade turned 90 degrees from the extra long sword handle, and while it might be blue the confusion is that it will almost always hit with the point making the need for a stabbing tip on the end of it even though it is technically a swung weapon
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Jun 27, 2010 10:55:04 GMT -5
Post by Balfur Ignis on Jun 27, 2010 10:55:04 GMT -5
Oofs explanation is correct. I will try and get pictures as soon as i can.
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