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Post by Cathán Neamhnaofa on Mar 5, 2007 19:25:43 GMT -5
i have pvc i was just wondering what would be the best size for a set of flourintine swords. you know how i fight so any suggestions.
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Post by Baethor on Mar 5, 2007 19:38:49 GMT -5
Your maces would be a good gauge for length.
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Post by Cathán Neamhnaofa on Mar 5, 2007 19:40:14 GMT -5
i was thinking that but i usually have a problem with swinging and not hitting anything
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Post by Baethor on Mar 5, 2007 19:54:18 GMT -5
Then add another 2 or 3 inches.
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Post by Kazzell KumoKi on Mar 5, 2007 21:07:46 GMT -5
tihnk weight and distance. That'll put you to a place of good speed and smooth striking.
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Post by greybeardabbot on Mar 6, 2007 1:06:09 GMT -5
I've flourintined with reds every once in a while....kinda fun.
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Post by Cathán Neamhnaofa on Mar 6, 2007 9:52:44 GMT -5
that sounds great baethor and your right kazzel i do need to think about weight and distance. well i could cut big and if need be shorten it.
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Post by zalos on Mar 6, 2007 15:12:24 GMT -5
i like 30inch, but if your strong enough to swing it fast go for 32-34;
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Post by Alric, son of Harland on Mar 6, 2007 19:53:40 GMT -5
I would suggest lighter over longer. When you fight Florentine, speed is preferable to reach.
Alric
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Post by Cathán Neamhnaofa on Mar 7, 2007 11:08:37 GMT -5
i kno what you mean alric and ive taken that into consideration. i think i will make a set between 20 and 30 inches.
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Post by greybeardabbot on Mar 7, 2007 23:10:11 GMT -5
I would suggest lighter over longer. When you fight Florentine, speed is preferable to reach. Alric Ney! Good Sir. I must present a caviate... having effectivly florentined with reds... sometimes reach has it's advantages. Speed might be your preferance, but speaking for the large and slow, reach has it's appeal.
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Post by Kazzell KumoKi on Mar 7, 2007 23:58:19 GMT -5
now that i'm getting stronger and i dont walk 145 acres of land w/kids on a daily basis so my stamina is going down a lil, i'm starting to favor my new longer mace.
Length=weight=more power/less work.
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Post by Alric, son of Harland on Mar 8, 2007 3:08:51 GMT -5
Are there many shields up in Hebron, GB? I agree that reach works well against opponents similarly armed, but against a shield, slow is hard to work with. Plus, when your sword is longer, it's easier for the shieldman to get inside your guard.
What you say is true for maces, Kazzell, but for swords, it's a little different. You want your mace to be top-heavy, because that's how it's used. But if you want something you can throw a wrap shot with, or if you want to throw quick combos, lighter is the way to go.
Alric
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Post by Sir Storm Brightblade on Mar 8, 2007 9:58:43 GMT -5
personally i have all my blues different length so i can get a little bit of both speed and reach when i go florentine. i can throw combos with my shorter one if i get the chance and have the reach for if an opponent is running by and what not. but thats just how i see it
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Post by Baethor on Mar 8, 2007 10:19:39 GMT -5
not necessarily alric. I throw better wrap shots with maces then i do with swords, the ability to not have to worry about a striking edge trumps the sword for that purpose, on another note the axe is better then the sword for wrap shots thanks to the extended blade, gets past the little shile tip that blocks most sword wrap shots.
A proper Florentine combination, technically speaking, is one short weapon, and one longer weapon. one for the reach one closer up for defense and speed. Though two weapons of the same size make them easier to learn.
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Post by Cathán Neamhnaofa on Mar 8, 2007 12:57:55 GMT -5
i definately want something with speed cuz im not slow and i dont like the heaviness it slows me down to much.
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Post by Baethor on Mar 8, 2007 16:57:38 GMT -5
make them from golf club shafts, light, hard to break and you can get some nice length on them
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Post by Sir Storm Brightblade on Mar 8, 2007 17:28:38 GMT -5
u can use golf club shafts? i thought that was for arrows and javys?
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Post by Cathán Neamhnaofa on Mar 8, 2007 20:39:59 GMT -5
u can use golf club shafts so long as there made of fiberglass.
well i already have pvc and i dont kno where i can get some cheap club shafts from.
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Post by vermin on Mar 9, 2007 1:27:04 GMT -5
I think this discussion of length vs. weight and speed vs. reach is fairly irrelevant. We're missing the point that whatever weapon someone chooses given time and devotion can be mastered regardless of the intervening factors of length and weight. Pick whaterever size you feel comfortable with and spend time learning to use those weapons. These weapons are cheap and non-time consuming to build, if in a few months you want something longer or shorter, heavier or lighter, buid it. The important thing is to keep learning, short-bladed florentine is very different from long-bladed, either of which is different when used agressively or defensively. Why not strive to understand all of it?
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Post by Cathán Neamhnaofa on Mar 9, 2007 1:44:39 GMT -5
i didnt think of it that way vermin. thnks for the input
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Post by Alric, son of Harland on Mar 9, 2007 6:26:04 GMT -5
You make good points, Vermin. There are many different ways to Florentine. Heck, there are different ways to arch or use a shield. So trying many different styles IS a good way to improve your overall game.
But I do think the experience of veteran fighters shouldn't be overlooked. I've met Cathan, and no offense intended, he's not oof, and I don't think he could effectively dual-wield Reds or even long Blues. I think he should start with shorter Blues. If he finds he can be effectively quick with longer weapons, he can add an inch or two and try those. Maybe he'll add another inch or two to those, then another inch or two. And in a few years, he'll be running around with two sixty-inch swords, swinging them like toothpicks. Or he could start with long weapons, then shorten by an inch or two, then again and again until he finds what works for him. The difference is, he's effective with every pair of weapons in the first example; he just keeps getting better. With the second example, he's getting killed left and right until he finds the swords that fit him best.
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Post by Baethor on Mar 9, 2007 9:41:14 GMT -5
And i've met cathan, and trust me, he's stronger then he looks alric.long blues wouldnt be a problem for him.
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Post by Cathán Neamhnaofa on Mar 9, 2007 10:58:16 GMT -5
thanks baethor and alric is also right i wasnt thinking of wielding two red weapons. i really dont prefer a red in the first place but long blues are good. i do have enough pvc to make both a dual short blue and a dual long blue. i could make the short blues first and decide on the length for a long blues on how well i like the short blues. whether i need to make them longer or not. alric i like the first idea cuz i can make dual short blues and slowly make them longer and this will give me a lot more weapons of different sizes so i could go with what i prefer at the time.
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Post by Haldour on Mar 9, 2007 16:28:35 GMT -5
Just my two cents. I always prefer speed over weight and reach when dual-wielding. (true "florentine" style is nothing like weilding two dag swords)
Reason being that with the speed of the weapon, both your offensive and defensive movements can be made with much more ease, keeping you alive longer. Also, as Alric has said, too much reach when dual-wielding makes it easy to get inside your guard, as well as making fast shots (key when you are facing shieldmen) much more difficult. The most important thing for this style, in my opinion, is well -balanced- weapons. The weight isn't as important as the distribution. A heavier sword that is well balanced can still throw the kinds of shots needed to pick off enemies with as little effort as possible. Poorly balanced weapons make the recoil too long, meaning you are open to attacks longer.
Also, I've been using a lot of graphite golf shafts recently. Someone mentioned fiberglass earlier, but I've never seen a fiberglass golf club. One can find graphite clubs mixed in with the regular ones at Good Will, usually for under 2 bucks. Graphite is LIGHT as heck (which I love). In fact I've had some trouble getting a few of my weapons up to weight. It does, however, have a tendancy to snap with extended heavy use. Deakon snapped one of my clubs in half when I punch blocked it. But for a couple of bucks, it ain't bad.
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