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Post by chessla on Mar 8, 2007 15:55:55 GMT -5
k cool, then im good to go.
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Post by Cathán Neamhnaofa on Mar 8, 2007 20:36:32 GMT -5
r we have practice at LP? if so what time?
kazzel i cant get the van so youll have to drive
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Post by Cathán Neamhnaofa on Mar 8, 2007 20:52:04 GMT -5
you dont need to answer the questions i already found them on another thread.
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Post by greybeardabbot on Mar 17, 2007 1:36:35 GMT -5
Good Movie. I will see it again, and get the DVD when it comes out.
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Post by Cathán Neamhnaofa on Mar 17, 2007 8:28:25 GMT -5
im definately getting it when it comes out on dvd
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Post by kiyoko sasaki on Mar 31, 2007 22:18:36 GMT -5
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Post by Militis on Apr 2, 2007 19:05:07 GMT -5
I'm way too good to you guys... First.... www.tv-links.co.uk/show.do/4/386Second.... Battle of Thermopylae (300) - Adapted by Militis Field/Bridge Battle <<*-RP Description (Story)-*>> In the Battle of Thermopylae of 480 BC, an alliance of Greek city-states fought the invading Persian Empire at the pass of Thermopylae in central Greece. Vastly outnumbered, the Greeks held back the Persians for three days in one of history's most famous last stands. A small force led by King Leonidas of Sparta blocked the only road through which the massive army of Xerxes I could pass. After three days of battle, a local resident named Ephialtes betrayed the Greeks by revealing a mountain path that led behind the Greek lines. Dismissing the rest of the army, King Leonidas stayed behind with 300 Spartans and 700 Thespian volunteers. The Persians succeeded in taking the pass but sustained heavy losses, extremely disproportionate to those of the Greeks. The fierce resistance of the Spartan-led army offered Athens the invaluable time to prepare for a decisive naval battle that would come to determine the outcome of the war. The performance of the defenders at the battle of Thermopylae is often used as an example of the advantages of training, equipment, and good use of terrain to maximize an army's potential,[3] and has become a symbol of courage against overwhelming odds[3]. The heroic sacrifice of the Spartans and the Thespians has captured the minds of many throughout the ages and has given birth to many cultural references as a result.[4] <<*-ACTUAL DISCRIPTION-*>> The basic premise is a gauntelet style, funnel bridge battle, V-shaped. The Persian side is wide funneling into the narrow Spartan side. The persians should be unarmored and single blued. The Spartans,full armor, shield, javy, sword. (optional) Thespians , no armor, shield sword Ratio "should" be: 100 Persians to 7 Greeks, however with the lack of ample foam fighting participants, there are 2 ways to do this battle: 10:1 on a large field, which is a no-rez, "see how long spartans can last" battle and the spartan team who kills the most people wins. And the bit more elaborate, 2:1 battle, on a smaller field , I will continue to describe the small battle with the assumption it will be used more commonly. The battle itself has 3 rounds and consists of 3 teams. In a each round two teams team up as persians while the remaining team is spartan. ex: 18 people playing => divide into 3 teams of 6 (Team A, Team B, Team C) Round 1: Team A vs Teams B and C Round 2: Team B vs Teams A and C Round 3: Team c vs Teams A and B -end ex- Teams: for every 1 spartan there should be 2 persians. Due to the lack of people, Persians have a rez, spartans do not. (optional) Each round will last 15 minutes and be divided into 3 - 5 minute "days". "Day" 1 : the persians only get to use a 1h blue weapon "Day" 2 : the persians get the option of dual weilding (Enter the Imortals) "Day" 3 : the persians get to use any missle weapon as well as thier 1h blues If any spartans are remaining once the time is up, 50pts per survivor should be added to the spartan score. Once a persian is dead, he has unlimited rezes, but in order to rez must check in with the rez herald who will mark the rez as 1 point for the spartans. As in the actual battle, the goal isn't for the spartans to win, but to take out as many persians as possible before dieing. +++ADDITIONAL OPTIONS+++ This suggestion is to further even up teams or add some different flare. If you want to get historically acurrate, there we 700 thespians to the 300 spartans that stayed behind, so in theory to up the difficulty, there are 2 thespians (unarmored) for every 1 spartan (armored). Or That means if normally 6 people have armor out of a battlefield of 24, you could either divid the 6 by 3 and put 2 on each team. But in the case of random numbers with random people with armor: ie: 31 Combatants total, 5 with armor, Unarmored=> 26/3= 8 R2 Armored=> 5/3= 1 R2 Team A= 10 unarmored (thespian) with 1 armored (spartan) Team B= 8 Thespians 2 Spartans Team C= 8 Thespians 2 Spartans or in theory, A=B=C a team of 3 spartans should be equal to a team of 6 thespians -end ex- -SUGGESTED DIFFICULTY- FUN - TOUGH Teaches - Offense why maintaining unit Defense. --------- Tell me I'm amazing.
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Apr 2, 2007 20:30:43 GMT -5
Post by Baethor on Apr 2, 2007 20:30:43 GMT -5
I'd like to point out the persians did have shields of wicker, or the more barbaric slaves would use battle axes...Enter Gates of Fire by steven pressfield.
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Apr 2, 2007 20:34:24 GMT -5
Post by Lady Elestirne on Apr 2, 2007 20:34:24 GMT -5
I think that this would be an amazing battle to do-I'd be interested
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Apr 3, 2007 8:38:47 GMT -5
Post by Militis on Apr 3, 2007 8:38:47 GMT -5
I'd like to point out the persians did have shields of wicker, or the more barbaric slaves would use battle axes...Enter Gates of Fire by steven pressfield. Noted, but for the game's sake..... I don't care, it's more fun this way. -m p.s. Shields of wicker?! Lemme go get my laundry hamper......
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Apr 3, 2007 19:58:34 GMT -5
Post by Baethor on Apr 3, 2007 19:58:34 GMT -5
WIcker actually made nice shield. Swords get stuck in wicker, as do spears, ya cant pullem back out. Go give it a shot.
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Apr 4, 2007 20:18:04 GMT -5
Post by Militis on Apr 4, 2007 20:18:04 GMT -5
WIcker actually made nice shield. Swords get stuck in wicker, as do spears, ya cant pullem back out. Go give it a shot. alright, you bring a laundry basket to the O's, I'll bring my sword, we'll give it a shot
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Post by greybeardabbot on Apr 5, 2007 12:51:16 GMT -5
Say... In defence of the abomination The Re-writting History Channel did a segment on those wicker shields... they were surprisingly effective shield. I was impressed to learn how effective they were agaisnt swords and arrows. I never would have thought it. I'm with you on this Beathor.
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Apr 10, 2007 23:02:41 GMT -5
Post by Baethor on Apr 10, 2007 23:02:41 GMT -5
Actually, I'd take up that bet militis. WIcker shields were used for the very reason of being lightweight and notoriously tough, as well as having the other guy not be able to withdraw his spear/sword from the wicker afterwards making him a very easy target The spartans however, bypassed this by simply running the persian wicker shield over. Literally. Picture 300 very well built men, with 40 lb bronze/wood shields, bashing a wall of very small archers, then just jabbing them through there wicker with the butt-spikes of the 8 footer spears they carried. Or just crushing them under the weight of it all.
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Post by Taos on Apr 11, 2007 5:03:56 GMT -5
I don't have to imagine...that's what happens when LBTL goes and visits Eryndor. ;D I'm with you on this one, Baethor...the Persians weren't WWII Russians, and no decent military sends its troops in with gear that won't protect them. Especially Persia, which had the mineral resources and the organizational structure to equip most of their troops with metal, or even wooden shields. That, and in Persia, mostly a hot desert, carrying around 40 pounds of metal all day will greatly reduce each individual's effectiveness. So, in essence, climate wins again.
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Post by greybeardabbot on Apr 11, 2007 8:09:25 GMT -5
Hummm... If that's so why are our guys in Iraq (Persia) carring around 50+ pounds in gear? Like the crusaders before them... they go into the desert in heavy armor... right? My understanding is that some of the locals believed that thier uniforms must have been "air-conditioned" because no one dresses like that for the climate. (I wouldn't dress like that for the climate either... for bullets I would.)
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Apr 11, 2007 9:16:12 GMT -5
Post by Taos on Apr 11, 2007 9:16:12 GMT -5
Because bullets and shrapnel go through wicker and cloth, Greybeard. And at least in modern-day Iraq, some advances have been made to make protective gear more lightweight, but it still comes down to individual effectiveness. Look at the Marines who go into combat without the ceramic plates in their flak vests and things like that. They're much more likely to die, just like a knight without his shield would have been, but their personal effectiveness in the climate rises, because they're not weighed down, or retaining as much heat. --------------------------------------------------------------------------------- In ancient times, climate and topography had a great effect on how warfare evolved. If it's frequently cold or temperate, like much of Christian Europe, it's not that big a deal to put on pound after pound of heat retaining protective gear, so as weapons improve, you put on more and more armor. In Iraq, with 120 degree days during the summer, that's just not an option, so instead of maces designed for cracking bones under all that armor, you get Damascus steel, to slice up the body more effeciently. Instead of mounted knights, the tanks of the Middle Ages, you get light cavalry. It's a fascinating topic really.
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Post by greybeardabbot on Apr 11, 2007 12:42:32 GMT -5
It is. The clash of the Heavy Armored European knight with the light Middle-eastern cavalry is a classic "Which is better? Heavy VS Light?" argument... even down to their swords... The Crusader pig-sticker, a heavy, comparitavly brittle, cleaver. VS the Saracen semitar, a light, flexible, sharp, slicer/dicer.
All I'm saying is that inspite of climate. WE AIN'T USIN' Light cavaly. The American choice still favors "Heavy Armor"(and rightly so) even if it is manufactured from lighterwieght 'modern' materials. I think there are reasons for this. Primarily I think it's the value we place on the life of our service personel. But even that choice acknowledges that the protection which heavey armor affords is worth the traid-off against the climate. Does that mean that Heavy armor is naturally superior? Both defensivly and offensively? I think so. Certainly, the advantages of heavy armor can be undermined, and maybe even circomvented, but the advantage inherantly belongs to the heavy, not the liight.
Emperor Alexius' daughter Anna Komnene, recorded the crusaders returning from battle with so many arrows sticking out of them that they looked like porcupines. But the heavy felt bodkins, surcoats and chainmail did not allow the arrows to penetrate... the forunner of modern flackvests.
Heavy armor protects you and intimidates your foes... But the traid-off is physical comfort in an inhospitable envorionment.
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Post by Alric, son of Harland on Apr 11, 2007 16:37:53 GMT -5
There is a ton of sand at Fort Jackson, and it's no accident; they trained us for the terrain we'll most likely see when we enter a combat zone.
There's nothing worse than having sand in every nook and cranny. I don't know how much rifle training the Air Force does, but the Army has three straight weeks of it in Basic. Those were the most satisfying showers of my life.
Alric
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Apr 11, 2007 17:34:45 GMT -5
Post by greybeardabbot on Apr 11, 2007 17:34:45 GMT -5
I was watchn' "FUTURE WEAPONS" on discovery... I guess they make a gun now that you can bury in the sand... pull it out... hardly give it a shake and fire it, with out it jamming... It was pretty.
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