wolfblade
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Post by wolfblade on Jan 26, 2009 18:51:17 GMT -5
and the concern is they would look at it and say it can wrap around things?
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Post by Aris, Chaos Dwarf on Jan 26, 2009 20:22:20 GMT -5
There's a post about claw weapons and a Phase sword from Halo on the Dag boards, the general consensus is that it's not illegal parsay... but it's really one of those things where it would be a pass or fail.
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Post by Haldour on Jan 26, 2009 20:40:34 GMT -5
The concern is that a sling -will- wrap around things in certain circumstance. Certain circumstances that are extremely likely to happen.
As someone that has been checking weapons for about 4 years now, I can say that I would never pass a claw weapon like that. The potential for accidents is far too high for a weapon that really adds nothing to the game.
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Post by Aris, Chaos Dwarf on Jan 26, 2009 20:51:30 GMT -5
I, personally, would pass a claw weapon with a solid PVC core but it couldn't be green at all, only blue. Green WOULD make it a punching.
I have to disagree with the "adding something to the game" (and respectively so, mind you), there are plenty of werewolves, trolls, etc. out there in the game that could have their "natural" claws and be used as a weapon. Not to mention that these WERE real weapons, though specialized. I think it would be interesting to see and more interesting to see how they could be utilized.
Would it be as effective as a sword, by the gods no. But it might be something fun to play with.
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Post by Stubbie on Jan 26, 2009 21:00:48 GMT -5
Plasma Sword* sorry...had to correct.
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Post by Haldour on Jan 27, 2009 8:07:11 GMT -5
The reason I say it wouldn't add anything to the game is the extreme nature of it's ineffectiveness. Would it be cool for someone to wear claws? Sure, if it suited their character. But in this game, I can't really see such a weapon even standing a chance on the field.
I also think that the very nature of such a weapon inclines one to use more of a punching motion that would otherwise be unacceptable. It may not be a jab, but it's definitely swinging the fist at the body. I feel there is a long list of safety and playability issues that far outweigh any roleplay or historical accuracy points.
Let's not forget that whips and lassos and punch daggers and tonfas etc are real and were actually used as well.
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Post by Aris, Chaos Dwarf on Jan 27, 2009 14:15:27 GMT -5
That's true that no ALL weapons can work for dag, for various reasons. With a weapon like a claw, it would be a full arm snap to strike an opponent with the edge, if it wasn't green then there couldn't be any allowed stabbing movements.
As for effectiveness on the field, A hammer, for example, is a really ineffective weapon for dagorhir. It's slow, heavy and predictable. But it's absolutely fun to screw with on the field. Some people, like myself, don't care so much about effectiveness in weapons. I have my huge great hammer that I fought with for years before I made my glaive and blue hammer/shield combo, I enjoyed the weapon and even though I got killed a lot, I didn't do badly. If someone enjoys the weapon they will learn to make it effective.
We could speculate on this for weeks and still be split on this. Maybe this is just one of those things that needs to be made and tested before it's given a Yes or No vote after a demonstration.
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Baethor
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Post by Baethor on Jan 27, 2009 16:15:25 GMT -5
actually i've found well made hammers to be very useful in wrapping around shield or moving them. it depends on the contruction. For years i used a very heavy blue waraxe with a stabbing tip, lots of people ridiculed it but it would kill them all the same.
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Post by Aris, Chaos Dwarf on Jan 28, 2009 14:29:02 GMT -5
lol that's why I have 2 war hammers I love playing them on the field. but I've had a lot of fighters back east say that they're worthless because they're not 'effective'. If you love the weapons you have, they become effective, imo.
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Post by swordbrothermodi on Jan 29, 2009 11:37:03 GMT -5
I would have to say hammers and axes are great weapons. You might just have to learn how to use them
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Baethor
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Post by Baethor on Jan 29, 2009 12:35:42 GMT -5
indeed, hooking shield, hooking weapons and wrapping, axes and hammers are the best
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Post by Cathán Neamhnaofa on Jan 29, 2009 13:13:59 GMT -5
i definately remember times seeing baethor completely disarm someone cuz he hooked their weapon with his axe and ripped it out of their hand.
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Baethor
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Post by Baethor on Jan 29, 2009 13:56:29 GMT -5
Hmm. i should make a new axe. I'll be getting some fresh kitespar soon...
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Post by Aris, Chaos Dwarf on Jan 29, 2009 15:48:06 GMT -5
I need to learn to make a better ax. I can do the basic one, but it's not good at hooking weapons. Someone should post a better tutorial then whats on the Dag website.
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Post by Stubbie on Jan 29, 2009 16:31:17 GMT -5
Wait 'til I get home, I'll throw several links up, all of which I consider superior (for hooking especially) to the one on the National Boards "How-To". Yes, I built a blue axe following their design, it pulled the base layer of the "head" from the shaft in less than 3 battles. Did everything to the letter as well. Ok, I guess most of what i got is duplicated here: varangia.googlepages.com/axesI plan to try to make a couple of blue axes with the Ryker design. Maybe try add a thrusting stabber onto it.
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wolfblade
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Post by wolfblade on Jan 31, 2009 0:04:37 GMT -5
well im going to make the weapon. its not a main weapon ill still have another blue its basically a power shot that can be hid behind excluding arrows of course. just remember this conversation if i get this to pass at rag Haldour and gaurd your ribs ;D speaking of axes i was experimenting with a punch shield and a axe that amazingly hooks in place at the top of the sheild to the dismay of some of the people at practices when they have to take a blue from a shield bash.
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Post by Stubbie on Jan 31, 2009 9:09:07 GMT -5
Hoping that's a house rule. MoA disallows shields/weapon combo's. Plus specifically prohibiting any shield spikes from being anything beside ordainmental....personally I would go ahead and interpret that to mean all shield accessories as well.
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Baethor
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Post by Baethor on Jan 31, 2009 10:33:36 GMT -5
wolfblade. unless you get the most retarded weapons checker, on his first day. nobody is going to pass a weapon that STRAPS to your forearm. I will gladly show you why next time i see you.
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wolfblade
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Post by wolfblade on Jan 31, 2009 11:11:21 GMT -5
hey its my arm and i signed the waiver the likly hood of me making such a weapon isnt good though
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Post by ingvarr on Jan 31, 2009 11:25:22 GMT -5
Wolfblade its not necessarily just the potential to mess up your arm, its the other persons safety as well.
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Baethor
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Post by Baethor on Jan 31, 2009 13:48:08 GMT -5
to swing that weapon requires a punching motion, a swinging of the fist or forearm to strike, as opposed to swinging with your wrist to strike with a point feet from your hand. I personally gave up caring about your arm after you said you were going to make it anyways. Plus you have to think, if someone really wanted to hurt you, that weapon would give them just the opportunity to do it without recourse. because you were wearing an illegal stupid weapon.
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Post by Aris, Chaos Dwarf on Jan 31, 2009 15:25:20 GMT -5
I agree with Baethor on this one, though... maybe not in the way he put it...
Strapping it to your arm would be a BAD idea. Waiver or no, you don't want to end the day in a splint because of your weapon. There ARE ways to go about it, but strapping is not it.
Make your way over to the Dagorhir message boards, Search/look for the topic about the "Plasma Sword" from Halo. they have a design there that would be the basis of any weapon like this (shape of blade not counting). See what they said there, and look at what they did there.
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Post by Haldour on Jan 31, 2009 19:53:12 GMT -5
I'm not worried about my ribs.
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Post by Gryphon on Feb 1, 2009 16:17:15 GMT -5
Haldour, do you like your ribs seasoned or marinated? -Had to crack a joke.. This convo seems to tense.
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Post by swordbrothermodi on Feb 1, 2009 18:54:04 GMT -5
haldour you will if i get my hands on one.
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