OLYMPICS VIII WEAPONS CHECKERS

[Baethor]

Alright mittelmarchers.

If you don't have a job to do when weapons check starts you better be on the line checking weapons.

If one of the other council members needs you to do something thats fine, but if we want this done fast and effectively then EVERYBODY works.

We start when the first weapons hit the table and end when the last weapon leaves.

Anvil and his brood have offered to take up the archery testing so all any of you have to do is check melee weapons, armour and shields.

I'm heading up this weapons check, if you have any doubts or questions about a weapon bring it to me.

If you've never checked weapons before, have no fear, i will teach you in the ways of weapon-check-fu. Plus you will make a usefull back to check weapons with.

Any of our out of town friends who wish to speed along the weapons check process by jumping in and helping out will be extremely appreciated. Or if you have noobies who need training in the weapon checking arts i will be happy to abuse-I mean, train them.

[Stubbie]

Can we get an over-view as to procedure? Are we doing it like last year: one person checks one persons gear and calls for backs as needed? Or are we (literally) throwing everything on tables and throwing them on into pass or fail piles to be sifted through to find gear?

[drazz]

ill help with weapon checking as long as Sir Rune doesnt break another red across my back ... lol

[Sir Rune]

Oh I'm sure my red breaking days are done....

Or look at it this way, better your back in testing then your teeth on the field.

[Page Tigron Ciryandil]

as long as work doesn't screw me and schedule a mandatory work day Sat. I'll be there to lend a back. and I can do night watch on the pavilion again like i did last year.

[drazz]

rune ,,, i would have to have teeth for that to be a issue .. lol

[Baethor]

Stubbie: Likely we'll do it like last year. I just like to use "when the weapons hit the table" because everyone knows what that means.

But yeah we'll force people to line up, hand off there gear to the nearest available weapons checker. test it quickly and thoroughly. get it taped for pass/fail then probably set them off to the side for the owners to find or throw them back at their owners. (Not literally....well literally if they deserve it)

We'll have painters tape and sharpies so you can lable why a weapon fails, as well as our favorite tiny rolls of colored tape to mark passing weapons.

If you fail a weapon, and it has the colored tape from previous weapons checks i want it removed from the weapon.

When a weapon passes hand it back to the owner and grab the next weapon to check. if the owner has wandered off we will have a passed and failed weapons tables as per usual.


Rune, i'm not as up to date with my belegarth weapons check standards. could you refresh us on the differences between bel and dag weapon specs?

[Firoth]

As far as I know:

DISCLAIMER: EVERYTHING IN ITALICS ARE BELEGARTH RULES. They are here for clarification between the two games, and WILL NOT be used at Olympics. Standard Dag rules apply. Again, these are here for clarification purposes only!!!


Weapons less than 24" long have no min weight

Weapons over 24" but under 48" must be 12oz

Blue and Red weapons cannot have more than 18" of unpadded handle, or 1/3 of the weapon, whichever is greater. This cannot be more than 1/2 the weapon length.

Flails are a max 40" long, with a few sizing discrepencies

Javelins have a 24oz weight max and still follow the standard stabby head size

Arrows do not have the minimum base diameter

Shield height max = 18" less than the wielder's height instead of chin to ankle.

Note: Of necessary mention, metal hands are allowed in Dag, but not in Bel. Full metal helms are also allowed in Dag, but not in Bel, with the exception of non-period (aka SCA style) grills.

I mention this due to confusion at last years event over one of these two issues.

(Note for the note: Metal elbows and knees are still illegal in both games, with the exception of chainmail, obviously)

[Baethor]

thanks firoth, most helpful.

alright, for our purposes, weapon checkers, Go with the dag rules for shields (that is, no larger then ankle to chin for its owner, no wider then 3 feet.)

And just keep in mind the spec differences from bel to dag, i would prefer us to follow dag weapon specs for it but not everyone pays attention to the fact that we are a dag realm so they bring bel gear that just barely fails for one of those rules or another, so keep that in mind when your checking.

You may see a few amtgaurd sticks roll through check as well, i have no problem with these weapons so long as they have been weighted properly.


Also if someone does come with a pile of failed weapons (its happened before) point them in the direction of any of the weapons builders that usually meander around the pavilion and merchents row. Its good for business.

[Sir Rune]

The only difference we should see when checking weapons between dag/bel is a bel flail head min is 15 in. Dag is 16. Bel doesn't have a weight requirement on flail heads that I knw of, dag has a 4oz weight min. And any weapon under 24 inches not having a weight min in bel.

Good write up firoth.

The new dag javelin/arrow head/base dimensions doesn't go in effect until this years rag. (I also am of the opinion that they're dumb. Let's make our projectiles bigger and heavier... smart.)

[Firoth]

The arrow head one is the intelligent one, and it's how the javelin write up should have been.

It just mandates that the closed cell, solid base of the arrow has to be wider. This distributes the force better across the cushiony top of it, making it hit softer.

The javelin one about the increased diameter is just bullshit, and it should have been changed to reflect the same changes as the arrow rules. At the very least I think that 3" soft/2.5" firm makes the most sense....adding an extra half inch to either of these is ridiculous.


And Rune, these changes went into effect last Rag as far as I know. The only rule changed at last Rag was the one regarding how hits are supposed to be taken...which didn't change anything at all besides semantics. That is the one that will be "going into effect."

Of course, it really matters not. As a realm, we are free to make safe, reasonable changes to the rules as we see fit, as long as they are not against the spirit of the current rules, or blatantly imbalancing.

If we choose not to honor the increased javelin size rules, then that is something we can do. I for one don't care either way, as I don't really use javelins. :/

[Sir Rune]

All rules changes agreed upon by rwc go into effect the following year. The change from noticeable to sufficient and arrow/jav were all past at rag last year.

[Firoth]

Not trying to argue with you, my friend, but I'm just clarifying to avoid any possible misunderstandings. These are the official war council write-ups from Rag.


Last years Rag (Rag XXV): www.dagorhir.com/forums/index.php?topic=19286.0

Only thing passed is the substantial force. Club discussion moved to this years Rag. A few non-fighting related things.

Two years ago (Rag XXIV): www.dagorhir.com/forums/index.php?topic=15213.0

Arrow/Jav changes passed, along with other non-fighting related things.

Again, not trying to be rude, just backing my statements up with where I got my info is all.

[Sir Rune]

call me crazy then. Would have put money that we voted on that last year too. <-- is getting old.

[Firoth]

Maybe someone tried to get it changed back. :/ It'd probably see some decent support, as I know a lot of people that are against the bigger javs.

Who knows, either way, to get back on topic kinda:

What is our stance on PDed equipment?

I personally think we should allow PDed shields (as I see no safety issues with then, and quite a few realms already allow them), and as far as pd weapons go, I havent actually seen a non-cloth bladed one in awhile, but it could come up.

[Sir Rune]

Im for pd shields as well. Weapons, as long as it isnt pd'd on the striking surface, im cool with it. Id be fine with it on the striking edge too, but my skin sees to be thicker then most.

[Kotaro]

Mar 4, 2011 14:18:26 GMT -5 Firoth said:

Weapons less than 24" long have no min weight

I'm confused, when did this start happening? Is this a new Dag rule or a house rule?

[Stubbie]

Mar 4, 2011 20:25:29 GMT -5 Kotaro said:

Mar 4, 2011 14:18:26 GMT -5 Firoth said:

Weapons less than 24" long have no min weight

I'm confused, when did this start happening? Is this a new Dag rule or a house rule?

Neither, a Bel rule.

[Anvil]

Mar 4, 2011 20:25:29 GMT -5 Kotaro said:

Mar 4, 2011 14:18:26 GMT -5 Firoth said:

Weapons less than 24" long have no min weight

I'm confused, when did this start happening? Is this a new Dag rule or a house rule?

that's Belegarth rules, they are discussing them for weapons check at O's

[Kotaro]

Ooooooh, okay. Don't mind me, I'll just be over there... with the things... *shuffles off*

[Firoth]

Edited my original post to be less confusing.

[oof]

ok one thing, as a herald I will be disallowing metal gauntlets from the field as a safety issue, please don't pass them, even if someone says they are safety equipment

[Baethor]

I wont allow any PD on blades, if its on the pommel, crossguard or flat of a sword then thats fine, but no plastidip striking surfaces.

as for plastidip shield i'm not convinced that its a good idea. Plastidip just seems to rigid for safe use on a contact surface, but i've never had a pd shield in hand so i dont know what it is all about. If one passes through weapons check i'll make the final call on it after i've had a chance to look it over.

[Firoth]

PD just looks rigid.

On a striking surface it could give problems because of the slap, but on shields it's not so much of an issue because swinging a shield is less effective.

I took a look at two of the PD shields at wolfpack opener that went through weapons check. They were pretty nifty.

[Kotaro]

I've yet to meet a PD shield that would be dangerous. Weapons... less so.