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Post by ziglerrobertson on May 17, 2008 18:50:08 GMT -5
I'm thinking of making some armor. Nothing flashy or complex, just some fabric material and some foam. Essentially it would be 2 t-shirts (hem's removed) with about 1in foam padding inserted into them. the bottoms of the shirts would be held together using toggles and they would be connected either using more toggles or lashings. What I mainly want to know is if this would be considered as armor. And if not, how would I make so it would be using cloth. Below is an image of the pieces and the "layers"
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Post by Tatsumura Masamune on May 17, 2008 21:58:48 GMT -5
5. Armor
5.1. General:
5.1.1. All types of armor provide the same level of protection.
5.1.2. Armor protects only the area it covers.
5.1.3. Helmets and neck armor protect from yellow/white weapon hits to the head and neck when worn on the head.
5.1.4. The front, back and sides of the torso are considered a single strike zone for armor coverage.
5.1.5. All armor within a strike zone counts as a single piece of armor no matter how many separate pieces of armor are actually present.
5.1.6. Armor may not be concealed. It must remain visible to other players. You may wear a surcoat or tabard over armor as long as that the armor must be visible from all sides.
5.1.7. The first hit from a blue weapon to an armored strike zone has no effect.
5.1.8. The second blue hit:
5.1.8.1. To an armored torso results in death.
5.1.8.2. To an armored limb results in loss of the limb.
5.1.9. A one-handed green thrust has no effect on armor, even if previously struck with a blue weapon.
5.1.10. Armor protection against blue weapon strikes is not eliminated due to a previous two hand green or yellow weapon hit.
5.1.11. Armor does not offer protection against red weapons or two-hand green thrusts.
5.1.12. Rigid plastic safety equipment for knee and elbow protection is permitted but should be concealed under clothing. It does not count as armor.
5.1.13. No one in armor may initiate grappling.
5.1.14. Rigid armor including helmets must not protrude more than 0.5-inch from the body.
5.1.15. Rigid armor including helmets must have no points (must be penny round).
5.1.16. Rigid armor including helmets must have blunted edges.
5.1.17. Armor must not catch any appendages. Fingers should not catch in armor.
5.1.18. Armor must be passed by heralds from two separate realms, assuming an inter-realm event.
5.2. Metal armor:
5.2.1. Metal armor may be made of iron, steel, bronze, brass, copper or titanium. Aluminum and other modern alloys are not allowed, with the exception of titanium.
5.2.2. The minimum thickness of non-plate metal armor is 16-gauge.
5.2.2.1. The minimum thickness of plate metal armor is 18-gauge.
5.2.3. The maximum thickness of metal armor is 1/8 inch.
5.2.4. Acceptable Standards for 4:1 European Weave Chain mail
Gauge 12 14 16 18 Etc Butted Link Maximum Ring Diameter 1/2" 3/8" 5/16" 1/4" ** Non-Butted Maximum Link Diameter* 1/2" 3/8" 3/8" 3/8" ** *Non-Butted = Riveted, welded, punched, etc. **At the discretion of the event organizers
5.2.5. No metal knee or elbow armor with the exception of ring or chain mail.
5.2.6. Metal helms may only be constructed with 18- to 16-gauge. Helms may not have non-period grills. All other armor standards apply.
5.2.7. Any corners should be rounded to at least 1/2" radius.
5.3. Leather armor:
5.3.1. The minimum thickness for leather armor is 3/16 inch. The minimum thickness requirement can be achieved by layering several pieces of thin leather.
5.3.2. Studded, scaled, or brigandine armor can only be counted as armor if 2/3 of the area is covered by metal, or the studs/rings/plates are no more than 1/2" apart.
5.4. Armor may not be constructed of plastic or other non-period materials.
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This the official rules regarding armor. As for using foam, it will not count as armor. And there is no cloth armor either. Materials used to make armor are leather and steel. Now, you can make armor that is leather/steel that is attached to cloth, but the cloth itself provides no additional protection.
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Post by ZEFFER on May 17, 2008 23:16:21 GMT -5
To sum it up for you (though you should still read it all over (the entire MoA))
Cloth never = armor
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Post by ziglerrobertson on May 18, 2008 0:13:52 GMT -5
thankies!
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Post by Haldour on May 18, 2008 21:02:41 GMT -5
Well, foam =/= armor.
Cloth can be used to make armor. If you make a sturdy tunic/tabard/etc. and cover it in leather/metal plates, it can be armor. You'll have to use some thick fabric though.
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Post by ZEFFER on May 18, 2008 23:35:12 GMT -5
even then it is not the foam that qualifies it as armor.
you can have 100x100x100 peice of cloth. It is still not armor.
slap on a sheet of metal or a tad bit of leather though...
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Post by Kazzell KumoKi on May 19, 2008 10:34:12 GMT -5
interesting idea... i honestly don't think I'd want to wear that. I'd over heat and hits would hurt or just be alot more jarring.
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Post by Baethor on May 19, 2008 10:41:27 GMT -5
actually zeffer thats not quite true, in the old days most people would wear quilted armor beneath there chain mail and plate or what have you. It was not much protection, but it added that little extra layer that could save your life. also protected the skin from your own chain. Dagorhir though, it does not matter what your armour is made of, it will always protect the same amount. (and what i mean by that is, metal plate won't protect more then leather brigadine) There are other games, like darkon, or amtgaurd though, that have rules for cloth armor, where it is the lowest grade of armor you can have. but even then, you wouldnt make it with foam, you would have to use layers and layers of material to make it strong, similar concept to kevlar vests.
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Post by ziglerrobertson on May 19, 2008 17:56:22 GMT -5
Well, foam =/= armor. Cloth can be used to make armor. If you make a sturdy tunic/tabard/etc. and cover it in leather/metal plates, it can be armor. You'll have to use some thick fabric though. Hmmmm. Thanks, I'm prolly gonna do something like that now. It'll just take longer then I thought.
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Post by ZEFFER on May 20, 2008 14:33:17 GMT -5
actually zeffer thats not quite true, in the old days most people would wear quilted armor beneath there chain mail and plate or what have you. It was not much protection, but it added that little extra layer that could save your life. also protected the skin from your own chain. Dagorhir though, it does not matter what your armour is made of, it will always protect the same amount. (and what i mean by that is, metal plate won't protect more then leather brigadine) There are other games, like darkon, or amtgaurd though, that have rules for cloth armor, where it is the lowest grade of armor you can have. but even then, you wouldnt make it with foam, you would have to use layers and layers of material to make it strong, similar concept to kevlar vests. I am not going to argue with you on that (for the simple reason that you are 100% right) but i kinda was referring to Dag in the cloth is not armor comment. And Unless i am wrong (which i am not saying that I'm not because my knowledge of the rules is not exactly flawless) The only things you can make armor out of is Metal, Leather and Leather lookalikes.
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Post by Akeron on May 20, 2008 14:41:19 GMT -5
Leather(not lookalikes) ,metal(and only some kinds of metal,like steel, copper,bronze ...titanium wtf) , and some mixed ratios of metal/leather are the only materials accepte as armour on Dag. By no means these are not the only materials composing actual historical armours....like cloth based armours like linothorax. Ake
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Post by Zaron on May 20, 2008 15:29:15 GMT -5
Correct Akron, although if you really want a clothish look you can make brigadine armor, which is leather or metal sandwhiched by cloth. You just have to make sure it is easily reconizable as armor by everyone.
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Post by tangent on May 20, 2008 20:44:01 GMT -5
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Post by Haldour on May 21, 2008 0:25:57 GMT -5
Yes it is, but it's not dag legal.
Akeron, Titanium was made legal a few years ago. The general idea is that Titanium represents Mithril. Because it's quite expensive, it is unlikely that we will have uber-titanium armor problems.
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