Sir Rune
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Post by Sir Rune on Jan 22, 2006 19:31:42 GMT -5
4.1.8.7. No weapon may have a spike or blade at the butt (pommel) end. This includes double-ended daggers.
does this mean that a weapon can not have a stabbing tip on the pommel?
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Isen Ehtar
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Post by Isen Ehtar on Jan 22, 2006 19:34:59 GMT -5
That is exactly what the rule means. Or at least I'm pretty sure that's what it means
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Baethor
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Post by Baethor on Jan 22, 2006 19:36:51 GMT -5
the "butt" is the pommel of a weapon, yes
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Sir Rune
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Post by Sir Rune on Jan 22, 2006 19:38:45 GMT -5
i know, but i was looking at an axe(polearm) that Atticus brought and it had stabbing tips on both sides. I didn't know if it would be legal or not. Either way, it looked amazing.
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Post by florin on Jan 22, 2006 20:21:40 GMT -5
ci
florin
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Post by Zaron on Jan 22, 2006 21:05:02 GMT -5
It is not legal on the field, he did it mainly just for fun, it does however pass as under the normal pommel rules so there is no problem with it.
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Sir Rune
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Post by Sir Rune on Jan 22, 2006 21:51:05 GMT -5
uhhh, ok?
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Baethor
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Post by Baethor on Jan 22, 2006 21:53:20 GMT -5
he's saying that the pommel is a pommel, not a stabby, even if it has a stabby tip
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Sir Rune
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Post by Sir Rune on Jan 22, 2006 21:59:16 GMT -5
gotcha. thanks for the clarification
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Post by Lord Kensman Oron the Wolf on Jan 22, 2006 22:16:13 GMT -5
Rune, not to throw a wrench in this conversation... But, while it is true that under National Rules no weapon may have a pommel spike, the option to allow them in Mittlemarch or the LBTL is entirely up to your realm leaders. Some groups like Eryndor allow double-ended javies, others like Pentwyvern and yourselves allow rules for throwing axes. Although National Rules are fairly set in stone from year-to-year at Rag War Council, all realms are within their rights to allow local rules changes as long as they are deemed safe, and not against the best interests of Dagorhir as a whole.
Point being, that were interest in allowing pommel spikes to exist, that would be an issue to put before the Council for a vote. Hope that helps.
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Sir Rune
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Post by Sir Rune on Jan 23, 2006 13:55:32 GMT -5
thanks oron.
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Post by ATTICVS ROMANVS on Jan 23, 2006 22:45:04 GMT -5
I say we bring it up at Rag. I'll bring a halberd there (with a bamboo core so flex isn't an issue as well) and put it in the (blue/red??) pile at every weapons check, and we'll see how they mark it each time. I say the fact that it's double-ended rules out the issue of a pommel spike since there isn't really a pommel, and it's more like wielding an axe and a spear that happen to be fused together. Whatever, we'll see how it goes.
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Post by MacDimm on Jan 24, 2006 11:27:45 GMT -5
don't double-ended weapons have to be cylindrically padded though?
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Post by Sir Semi on Jan 24, 2006 12:17:35 GMT -5
yes, but they are talking about getting pommel spikes legalized.
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Post by Lord Kensman Oron the Wolf on Jan 24, 2006 14:06:47 GMT -5
The argument at RWC (and a decent arguement, I might add), is the concern that some idiots without thought might attempt to use regular pommels as if they had spikes, because "the spear they usually fight with has one, and they forgot..." While I understand this, knowing the nature of large events and some of the geniuses we occasionally attract, I do not feel that is nearly as big an issue at a realm event. People are much more inclined to pay attention, as well as know the weapon they are fighting with. I believe that there is no reason to penalize all of us, because of a handfull of idiots. I understand why we must consider the lowest common denomenator, or worst case scenario at large events. but 40 or 50 people that play together often, should have no problem using rules variations, and passing those variations on to the newer members.
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Post by Alric, son of Harland on Jan 26, 2006 21:46:35 GMT -5
Like the Old Guy said, it's only dangerous when you're dealing with morons, and I have faith in our people. It may be misplaced faith, but it's there nonetheless. I have always liked the idea, and as long as we remember not to use our pommel spikes when we travel elsewhere, it sounds doable. We should discuss it as an LBTL-wide change.
Alric
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Post by ATTICVS ROMANVS on Jan 31, 2006 7:40:49 GMT -5
stabby--> [===[[[]]]=====----------------======[===[====] <--stabby whacky--> [ / [_______/
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Post by ATTICVS ROMANVS on Jan 31, 2006 7:41:24 GMT -5
crap, I forgot, it smushes spaces.
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