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Post by Sir Storm Brightblade on Jun 9, 2006 19:53:51 GMT -5
alright what do you think of this guys. I'm making my own equipment(sp) soon and i need advice on blade length. for all you that we're at gravein's practice today, what do you think of a blue sword with the length of the red sword's blade length but with a shorter hilt? im just curious cause i thought that was a pretty good length for my height (I'm like 5'11, 6') but i dont want to make it without some comments from the vets out there.
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Isen Ehtar
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Post by Isen Ehtar on Jun 9, 2006 20:18:58 GMT -5
Personnally, my thoughts are this. If you go to all the trouble to make a sword that whose blade is long enough to count as a red then it would make sense to put just a couple more inches on the handle to have the ability put a second hand on the sword when its needed. Just my thoughts though. Good luck with your swords though. I also know that I wasn't at the practice today, but you also said vets out there, so I thought I would share. I hope to meet you sometime soon Storm.
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Post by Sir Storm Brightblade on Jun 9, 2006 21:16:01 GMT -5
thanks isen. its just me being a tall guy (5'11, 6') a regular length for a blue isnt really gonna cut it with me. so i think i might but a few extra inches just in case i need it.
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Baethor
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Post by Baethor on Jun 10, 2006 1:16:14 GMT -5
your not tht tall my freind. you can make a blue sword with a blade length for a red, but it will be mis-weighted and awkward.
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Post by Herz'ag Malurg on Jun 10, 2006 1:21:14 GMT -5
Your not too tall. Go regular.
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Post by Sir Storm Brightblade on Jun 10, 2006 9:36:35 GMT -5
ive grown a lot since last time you saw me baethor and herzag THANKS FOR LOWERING MY SELF-ESTEEM!!!!! *whimpers in the corner cause hes taller than me*(j/k). im only asking this cause a regular feels too short for me thats the reason i started this thread in the first place. but i think i like wat isen said make it just so if i need a red add a few extra inches. and i might make one red and a blue cause im buying 10 ft. PVC pipe. eh eh? what do you think of that!? plus i like long swords. thats also another reason why i started this.
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Baethor
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Post by Baethor on Jun 10, 2006 10:32:27 GMT -5
if herz'ag is taller then you, then you havnt grown much even our tallest fighter taos only uses a shortsword most of the time.
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Post by kiyoko sasaki on Jun 10, 2006 11:06:28 GMT -5
storm, is this long sword compinsating for something else? lol j/k but yeah i'd just use a red... i mean, that way if you want you can go from one hand to two and break sheilds :3
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Post by Sir Storm Brightblade on Jun 10, 2006 14:00:07 GMT -5
eh. i dont know. i liked isen's idea at first and now you guys soiled it. i'll think about it more. im still fairly new. not noobie but not a regular yet so i dont know what im doing. i also like my idea at first. with the 10 foot pvc pipe make a blue and a red. so for if my shield breaks i could put away my blue and pull my red off my back. or sumthin like that. so what do you think of that?
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Post by Zaron on Jun 14, 2006 9:20:23 GMT -5
I would advise you to make a much shorter blue if you're going to use it with a shield. I'm not much shorter than you. I'm 5'10" and I'm alot stronger and a sword of over about 30" to 32" is very awkward for me to use with a shield. I've seen a few people use weapons that size, but they are generally very large (6'6"+ and 300lbs +) and even they usually end up going for a smaller sword eventually. It is really misinfomation that the knights used a big long sword and a shield. They used their long swords as a single sword for dueling. If they used a sheild in war they normally used a much smaller cleaving sword. I tried the longer 1 handed weapons when I started too, most do, but I've found with experiance that a shorter weapons is quicker and allows you to through shots that you can never get off with a longer blade. A good judge of blade length is to get someone to go through shield fighting with you. Find the longest blade you can get inside shots with and go with that.
That being said with 10' PVC pipe you have plenty to make both a red and a short blue. This would give you the option to fight with a short blue and shield or a longer red sword.
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Post by Frost on Jun 14, 2006 10:22:13 GMT -5
I recommend using a shorter sword, or at least something under 30 inches. My blue has a 26 inch blade and a 6 inch handle (Or 9 if you count the pommel). That gives the sword a total length of 35 inches, about a foot shorter than a red. Its not the greatest for inside shorts, but its easy to handle at a fairly long reach. That, and it only weighs like...13-14 ounces
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Post by Sir Storm Brightblade on Jun 25, 2006 8:49:41 GMT -5
i thank you all for your comments. ill think of what to do from what i have, but im pretty tired cause i just got back from tennesse. if there are anymore comments, feel free to add more and i should be back on tomorrow afternoon. i think i will go for the short sword though. lets see...... from the foot to the waist is half of the body. im 6'1-6'2 so that would be like 37 inches. so how about we make that to 38 inches. make the hilt 5 inches. and the pommel like 2 inches. that would leave me with with 31 inches for the blade length. what do you think of that?
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Post by Zaron on Jul 1, 2006 18:37:28 GMT -5
It all depends on what type of shield your fighting with. You need to be able to get those inside shots with your sword. I know for me I cann't go above 32 to 33" total length and still get them. The easiest way to do it is to burrow a couple of blades of varying lengths and try them out to see how well you work with them. Atreus for instance being absolutly huge can use a blade alot bigger than mine with little trouble, but some tall people even have trouble with the bigger blades. Bishop's blades are the length of mine or abit shorter and he's 6'5".
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Post by greybeardabbot on Jul 1, 2006 22:38:46 GMT -5
Well, take it from me... the longer the weapon the slower your speed... I use a long blue and occationaly a red with a shield... at Rag I learned to use my shorter blue or a flail far more effectivly... I can't imagine going back to the longer weapons... unless you flat out drop the sheild and go florienteen... even then I recomment the slow weapon for the left hand.
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Post by ken on Jul 2, 2006 16:19:49 GMT -5
... unless you flat out drop the sheild and go florienteen... even then I recomment the slow weapon for the left hand. For a true flourentine, there is no slow hand Storm, I tried going with the longer weapons for the first set I made. I think the total length was 36" or so, maybe 38" and also heavy to boot. Very bad idea. Just too darn slow and not very effective. I picked up a short mace and axe combo just before the Olympics this year and the difference was huge. The reccomendations I've found on Dag sites always say "The longest you can effectively wield." The blues we've made in the as-yet-unofficial-Dagorhir-chapter-to-be-named-Stormhaven meet the minimum legal standards...barely. They're a little short for my tastes but not by much. If you have materials to burn, (inexperienced as I am) I think I would recommend starting with a shorter weapon and then going from there. You'll get better because you won't be fighting the weapon as much trying just to control it.
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Post by rave on Jul 2, 2006 19:47:11 GMT -5
i aint no veteran, but fighting long sword with shield is not very smart, expeshilly if u like to crash ur shield into ur opponients, i say use a normal blue or a normall red
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Post by Sho'vak on Jul 3, 2006 15:51:28 GMT -5
I probably go single blue more often than anyone with their own weapons, and 30-33 is worked out great for me, and that's generally seen as long. my hex bolt counterweight generally makes it balance perfectly just past the handle, it's not too heavy, and I've got reach when I need it. I mean, if you're tall, why take an even longer sword when you've got a reach advantage with a normal length one? if anything, you're cutting you're advantage by making something that balances weird.
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Post by greybeardabbot on Jul 3, 2006 16:33:20 GMT -5
I didn't say for the slow hand Jin T. I said the slow weapon for the left hand. I use the hammer in my left hand like a punch shield... and flails... well I have a love hate relationship with them... the more I use them the more I love them... But I hate them in the hands of, oh let's say Athron.
You can use quite a short sword in combo with a shield. The Romans have. Because you can get in close enough anyway... If you really want the length... (what your'e not compensating for something are you?) a flail can look deceptively short when flacid, but opened up it has length and will wrap over or around a shield; pretty quickly too.
Besides, which since Rag I've really come to accept that this game is NOT played best when played by the concept of how live steel should work. Let's just come and face the truth, and the truth will set you free... IT'S A GAME OF TAG or TAP... and it doesn't play the way a "real swordfight" would play no matter how much I wish it would. The best players don't play by the "real sword fighting moves rules" The fight best when they fight for the way DAGOHIR is played... foam weapons do not act like real weapons, so Speed, feints, and multipul (hard) taps are the rule of play... long weapons just don't work that way... if length (distance) is your idea of an advantage, become an archer... (Since Rag I really really hate archers)... oitherwise a being good with a red weapon ony seems to be useful for the pit/cage/red V red battles... A player with sword and board and with any decent running speed shouldn't realy fear a red sword on the feild... (OK you red sword players whine now about how effective you are.) The rule "As long as you can effectively use" is realy subjective... I used to think I used my long blues effectively... uuha, uuha, not any more I don't. A 24 four inch blade more than adequit... As the old saying goes... "It's not the length of the wand, it's the magic of the magician that counts."
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Post by ken on Jul 3, 2006 17:23:45 GMT -5
I didn't say for the slow hand Jin T. I said the slow weapon for the left hand. Ahh I was just ribbin ya. I want another duel with you though (from our first round Red v. Red at the olympics). Wielding a red is not my strength and I think I'd like to see just how "Useful" that sword of yours really is Oh man I'm getting entirely too cocky for no good reason. Zaron? Can I have a beating?
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Post by Zaron on Jul 4, 2006 9:01:02 GMT -5
Your definatly right Greybeard. I had that lesson beat into me by Sir Razier at the second O's. Having some real sword fighting training from my martial arts I was trying to use that in Dag, and it is just not quite the same. Not to say real sword training is useless because it does teach you many of the basics and fundamentals you will need, but Dag is to a real sword fight what a boxing match or point match in martial arts is to a real fight.
And yes your right about reds. You need them at times, but even at Rag if you noticed about 75% of the reds where very long ones such as glaives that could hide behind the lines. I know I can beat 1 sword and board guy or perhapos even two if they don't work well together with a red, but on the field you are archer bait and you rarely get the luxery of choosing your odds and reds just don't have the defense to fight that many people at once unless you are much much better than them or a very fast runner to run away.
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Post by Sir Storm Brightblade on Jul 4, 2006 9:38:29 GMT -5
thanks everyone for helping me upon my dagorhir experience, it really does mean a lot to me, hows a 34 in, with 1 inch pommel, 5 inch hilt, and the blade 28 inches
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Post by rave on Jul 4, 2006 10:28:47 GMT -5
sounds like a good blade 2 me ask some of the vets that use foam swords though, my meatel 1 is bout that long (yes i have a real sword)
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Post by Frost on Jul 4, 2006 11:50:17 GMT -5
My blue has a 26 inch blade and a 6 inch handle (Or 9 if you count the pommel). Sounds good
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Post by Sir Storm Brightblade on Jul 5, 2006 9:37:30 GMT -5
any other commentors on the sword I, Storm Brightblade, is about to make?
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Post by ken on Jul 5, 2006 16:27:07 GMT -5
Oh, and by the way Greybeard, I would gladly welcome a beating from you anytime as well; I'm sure you can dish them out my way easily...and I'll keep taking them until you get bored
. Zaron just happens to be more handy ;-)
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